Who
are some of your literary influences?
What
do you hope people get out of this book?
What
was the inspiration for your book?
How and why did you start working on this book?
Did you have any interesting experiences where you were
researching your book, or getting it published?
Who
are some of your literary influences?
Sapphire
has been a great artistic inspiration. PUSH
is one of my favorite books. Toni Morrison is my favorite
writer, period; I used to read a couple books a week when
I was young, but the first time I recognized myself and
my world in a piece of literature was when I read the
Bluest Eye when I was 12. That
had never, ever happened with all the historical and contemporary
"classics" I had been reading. That's when I
actually stopped writing my stories with White characters
and starting writing from my own experience, so that book
changed the path of my life. She also wrote my favorite
novel ever, Sula. I've tried
to read as much nonfiction and criticism as I can, especially
from people like Bell Hooks, Angela Davis, Cornel West.
S.E. Hinton, James Baldwin, Dorothy Allison and Sonia
Sanchez are also writers I'll pick up whenever I want
to go back to something I love for a creative jolt. I
also love a lot of short story writers: John Edgar Wideman,
Joyce Carol Oates, Andre Dubus, Junot Diaz. I was a huge
Stephen King and Ray Bradbury fan when I was young, but
I just cant seem to keep up with Stephen King. Most recently,
I really loved Toure's Portable Promised Land and Darnella
Ford's Crave.
What
do you hope people get out of this book?
Above all, I wrote Upstate to
be a love story. I wanted to show two Black people who
truly loved and cared for each other in an innocent yet
mature way. In a broad sense, Black Americans’ kinship
rituals necessarily adjusted because of our historical
condition and this has seriously affected Black love relationships.
I wanted to show a Black woman stand by her man, and vice
versa. I wanted to show a Black man who looked at a Black
woman not as a sexual object, but as his other equal and
desirable half. I wanted to show how even during these
times where Black-Americans’ overall condition bears
strong comparisons to that of the slave era, Black men
and women are still able to surmount incredible odds and
love each other. I wanted to show the best of our love,
and Antonio and Natasha are two characters who fight through
pain to love each other.
I also wanted to show
Blacks’ amazing abilities to support, uplift and
strengthen one another through trauma and tragedy. Because
of the terrorism of slavery, we are still trying to rebuild
as a people and I’m always amazed we have gotten
this far considering just 40 years ago Jim Crow existed
in the South. In Upstate, saving
Antonio and Natasha is a collective effort from many people:
their mothers, grandmothers, siblings, friends, teachers,
other prisoners, community advocates and outside interventionists.
Black people are often portrayed as a divided people,
when in reality we are very unified on a micro level.
We come together and stand strong when we need to. We’ve
always had that spirit and it is what has helped us to
survive.
What
was the inspiration for your book?
Several personal and social factors contributed to
me being inspired to write this book. Every Black person
that I know has family members or friends who are incarcerated;
I myself have family members, friends and former students
and mentees who are or were incarcerated. The little Black
boys that I’ve taught, who are beautiful and marvelous
and creative now but may somehow have all of that ripped
out of them by the time they reach Antonio’s age,
were at the forefront of my mind. I’ve worked with
organizations where a great number of the individuals
being serviced are trying to rebuild their lives after
incarceration. I was inspired by the fact that Black women
have been tremendously affected by the prison industrial
complex not only as victims of it but also in a way that
has not been explored; they must “hold it down”
alone while trying to maintain relationships with the
fathers, brothers, boyfriends and sons who are locked
up. In a more general sense, I’m inspired by the
everyday, hardworking Black people I see on the streets
of New York City, Chicago, down south, in the Midwest:
bus drivers, nurses, teachers, crossing guards, nannies,
garbage men, postal workers. Everyday, average people
are the most interesting to me to write about.
How
and why did you start working on this book?
Prisoners are loved and cared for by those they left behind
through extremely expensive collect calls, infrequent
visits to facilities that are often very far away, and
loooong letters; it’s simply a part of life in all
the worlds I’ve lived in because I’ve always
been active in underserved communities, plus I’ve
always stayed rooted in the underserved community from
which I come. I wanted to be a writing mentor with the
PEN America Prison Writing Program because I already knew
how crucial writing can be when and after you are incarcerated.
Letters written to and from prisoners are always brutally
honest and raw; you can see hard, steel-faced men and
women stripped down to their innocent cores. Their writing
is desperate and poetic and holds nothing back. So the
idea came to my mind to write a story about a man who
is locked up and the woman who stays in his life through
letters. I sat down and wrote the first letter from Antonio,
and I couldn’t stop from there for an entire day.
After a while, I put the project to the side and focused
on making a living. The day that I KNEW I had to finish
Upstate came when I read an article in Savoy magazine
about research done by the Justice Policy Institute of
Washington, which claimed that there were more Black men
in jail in America than in college. The fact that the
article compared Black men in all age groups rather than
just those in the 18-24 average college age range did
not matter; the fact that there is any semblance of truth
to such numbers does, and as a Black woman and an educator
I was deeply disturbed. I thought about the kids I was
teaching in Harlem, and about how they were only in middle
school and the odds were already stacked against them
as far as overcoming that sad statistic. I felt like it
was time to put a face on the problem, and a love story
that shows how this prison epidemic has a domino effect
in the Black community was a way I thought would do it.
Did
you have any interesting experiences where you were researching
your book, or getting it published?
I’ve been writing since I was 8 years old, but after
two rounds of rejections for novels I had written before
Upstate I realized it was possible
that my dream of having a book published may never come
true. I had gotten my MFA, but was unsure what that meant
as far as the next phase of my life. I was having serious
regrets about going into a huge amount of debt for my
education and to live in New York. My mentor Sapphire
told me to tough NYC out, but I had made up my mind to
move back to my hometown with my tail between my legs.
I had submitted a very rough version of Upstate
for my master’s thesis, and was convinced that the
manuscript—like my other novel—would be just
another disappointment. I wanted to go home, make some
money and if I happened to sell a book then fine and if
I didn’t, oh well. Sensing that I was about to let
the novel and my career fall by the wayside, Sapphire
convinced me that it was worth it to stay in Harlem, even
taking her copy of Upstate (the
only one in the universe at that time) and dropping it
off to a friend who was an agent. That agent friend was
Tracy Sherrod. Tracy was so passionate about the book
that she had already line-edited and completed margin
notes on Upstate by the time
we met for the first time at Mobay’s restaurant
on 125th in Harlem, and I told her I would get her back
a revision in two weeks.
Two
weeks turned to over 3 months because I got a job teaching
creative writing to kids in Brownsville, Brooklyn—a
1 and 15 minute commute from my apartment on 147th Street.
I had to get up every morning at 6:00 am and usually didn’t
get home until around 7. I was usually in bed by 11. The
pay was low so I was still broke but I was dedicated to
my job at the day camp, which serviced over 200 kids.
Because of the time I spent getting to the job and preparing
for it, there was little time left to revise Upstate.
I eventually got around to it, shortly towards the end
of the summer when I was unemployed again; being out of
a job reminded me that I had an agent promising to sell
my novel. I got a job teaching writing and literacy at
a high school in the Bronx through the National Puerto
Rican Forum in September, but was laid off after a month
because of budget cuts. Behind on bills and without any
income in sight, I sent my agent a long email and told
her I was giving up and moving back to Illinois with my
parents by the middle of October. The next week, the phone
started ringing off the hook with publishers wanting to
buy Upstate.
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